That's how I feel: dizzy. So much information thrown at me (cramped into 15 hours, expected to cover 70 years - since 1945), without little structure.
We are jumping from the escape of Hitler to UFOs, from the Dullen nefarious brothers to dumbing down the population NY ingestion of drugs, or fluoride water,from here to there...
It's all there, don't get me wrong, it's all happening as described in the book and we get to experience it first hand as sheep, more or less... But give it to us in an orderly fashion so we can make sense of the information.
The narrator doesn't help, to say the least. I found him off balance to the story. Some people should not read...
I need to read (and not listen) the book again, take notes and make sense of the information. Otherwise, it's all wasted.
This book is a convincing and intelligent portrayal of to why and how life is as we know it, I feel better having listened to this such important research so that I know there is a reason behind every question I have to who is accountable for the power that makes our world turn.
No I certainly wouldn't, they'd think I was stark raving mad!
The thing about books like this one is that they're only relevant to people who can already sniff out that the fish is dead. And that it stinks. If you're not into thinking about topics such as population control through behaviorism and the dominance of a few multi tiered multinationals over our society or what we call society, then this book is not for you.
If you've noticed that everything we've been taught about and everything that everyone always peddles about world war 2 just doesn't add up - then this book will be right down your alley.
I thought it was a great conversation about alternative ideas relating to the history and basis of where we are now, society wise. And I keep using this word 'society' because it's obvious that all over the world, events are being interpreted and analysed through a kind of approved group think.
The realization that, there is no evidence or proof for what we have been taught regarding our history. We simply believe it to be true because those in authority told us it was. Believing on that basis is an act of suspended belief and faith. A very dangerous basis to ground your 'reality' on. The alternative reality as presented by Marrs is very interesting.
It surprises me that Jim Marrs is still alive, given how much information he uncovers.I suppose it's because books like this belong in the nutty 'conspiracy theory' basket and are often dismissed as such. If you're into this kind of thing, its food for thought and I think definitely worth the time invested in reading / listening to it.
"It is Fire"
No particular moment the whole book was engaging
I thoroughly enjoyed this piece of work. Jim Marrs has assembled an impressive variety of conspiracy theories that span across (and above) science, politics, business and society in general, while managing to connect the dots between them. The amount of references quoted could likely fill another book as he attempts to mesh his findings with that of many other writers. The result is an attempt at an objective analysis of the organized forces manipulating our economies and societies. Whether you believe the stories or not does not really matter as the shear amount of evidence and presentation of how the puzzle pieces work together is, to me, an amazing piece of detective work or creative writing - take your pick - but it sure was entertaining. Jim did manage to make me think twice about buying products with Aspartane last week and we took solace that our town still does not florinate water. I cannot forget the narration which was also very good as the extensive german words and names were pronounced professionally.
The sign of a good book is the amount of fun you get out of it and this one gave me many entertaining discussions with friends. To be sure, I am a skeptic, but I still intrigued enough to want to hear more - please Mr. Marrs give us a sequel!
P.S. He forgot to mention Mengele's role in the UFO thread - ok next book!
Jim Marrs appeals to the paranoia which is rampant in today's economic and societal upheaval. Do some of the problems which plague us date back to the days when ex(?)-Nazis came to the US during Operation Paperclip? Did these scientists bring with them the ideals of the Third Reich and do these ideals find themselves imbedded in the scientific and medical communities today?
@Daniel - whoops! Looks like someone's confusing "Jews" with "Israel" again! One's a loosely-connected ethnic heritage/religious affiliation, one is a nation-state. "International financiers" and "international bankers" are crazy-anti-semitic-speak for Jews, but not usually in Marrs' terminology - in fact, he's often referring to the Rockefellers, Bushes, Farbin company descendants, etc.
The book is well done and well researched (though I might dispute the veracity of some of his sources) as all Marrs' books are. Though one must navigate the material with something of a critical eye (the Prescott Bush/Bush Family stuff is pretty well documented fact, whereas the Nazi superscience must necessarily be a product of rumors and slight documentation), the book tells an important story of the follies of corporate control of government (fascism being, in a sense, hypercapitalism) that's relevant to all free people today (look at today's conservative right/tea party/Wall St. contingent).
If there is a Fourth Reich, Marrs is a tool of it. I got the book hoping for a coherent, interesting, well researched but overly dramatic conspiracy theory. Instead it was incoherent and offered nothing interesting or researched. At one point in the book he calls the Brookings Institute part of the fascists in the American system then at another point he cites the Brookings Institute attacking Bush to support his argument that Bush is a fascist. He argues that Bush is a fascist because the people that worked for him believed in what they were doing. He also argues that Bush was a power monger because he didn't veto bills passed by Congress. In other words, Bush didn't block the laws Congress passed so he was undermining Congressional authority, Marrs argues. This entire book is a pathetic version of the fallacy of the appeal to authority. His "research" is allegations without any facts, only innuendo and quotes of the opinions of other people he calls authorities on subjects. He properly decries the loss of basic logic skills education but then shows he didn't learn basic logic by his repeated use of fallacies in reasoning. At one point he quotes someone as an authority on a Presidential signing statements, but the only source of authority is that she graduated from a law school. No advance law degree or experience in this area of the law needed, he cites her as an authority. Let me spoil the ending, as with all conspiracy theories, if you listen long enough it comes to a hissed whisper "the Jews!" Marrs concludes that everything that is wrong with the world is that we support Israel and the secretive "international financiers" or "international bankers" which is the more politically correct version of Hitler's attacks on "sneaky Jewish Bankers and shyster lawyers." How can Marrs decry fascism yet mimic Hitler's attacks on Jews, banks, capitalism, etc.? To answer that question you should use your credits/money on Ann Coulter's new book Demonic.
Lots of interesting facts. The connections and implications drawn are tenuous at best.
To tell the truth, this is my first real conspiracy theory book and I'm not impressed. He really fails to prove the 4th Reich is rising or even exists at all. About the only people who Marr's doesn't implicate are communists and liberals.
Well if there is a conspiracy I would like to know how Obama fits into a 4th Reich, because it's hard for me to imagine how a prolonged recession and a move away from capitalism could be a part of a plan to make a lot of money. Or maybe this 4th Reich isn't quite as omnipotent as Marr's makes it out to be. You run into real problems when a lack of evidence becomes evidence itself, and this book has plenty of problems and little "connect the dots" evidence. I don't doubt that most of the facts are true, it's what you make of those facts that's important. Does the Bilderberg group meet? Yes. Does it mean there is a conspiracy to start a new world order? Maybe, but probably not. Marr's goes into a vast assortment of facts ranging back to the Bulshivic revolution being financed in part by wealthy capitalists. To him this hints at corporations controlling the world, but maybe it's just a bunch of rich assholes playing God with peoples lives while trying to make a buck? Does he offer this as an explanation? No, it's always the work of some super secret Illuminiti group or something. I was surprised that he didn't notice the connection between the Nazi SS deaths head and other groups that use a skull for a symbol.
Read this book for facts only and draw your own conclusions. The book starts out sort of interesting and devolves into a rant about George Bush 41, George Bush 43, Bush's maternal grandfather Herbert Walker and the original George Bush otherwise known as Cain (sorry, I made that up but it sort of makes my point). It's almost like Marr's started writing the book and someone else finished it for him. It's that different from the start to the finish.