A meandering ancient text is disected here, and that is both good and bad. It is interesting for a time, and the disection is thorough, but eventually this becomes repetitive and a little boring. I have found that ancient works can be tough enough to follow, and this book is made more difficult because it probably originated as a series of notes, not a "read" book. A lot was made of the the core book (The Art of War) recently and the study of it is probably better than a straight read, but in the end you need to want to understand it to get anything out of it.
Classics, history, historical fiction, marketing, Napoleonic stuff and of course 'Boys own Adventure'. This is my bent. Occasional self help as well.
Perhaps I would make the book a study rather than just listening to it.
Very disjointed and repetitive.
Lorna Raver and Ray Porter did an excellent job.
Yes, buy the book, and study it and then come back to the audible version another time.
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Why the translation is alright, this person reads it in today's english rather than leaving it in the order of words that Sun Tzu intended. There are other versions that sound alot better and are in the traditional order. If you are wanting something that would be more in the modern then it would be great, but not if you are wanting the traditional wording.
The Art of War is excellent. Several of my peers at work recommended it and I so glad I checked it out. Sun Tzu is a master and his teaching are relevant in so many area of my life.
Audible lists 37 chapters, but 9 or 10 repeat themselves. Not that the author is being repetitive, but several chapters just repeat exactly, it should've only been 28 chapters long.
Someone who had a choice of listening to this or taking a bullet.
Whatever the heck that woman was droning on about.
In all honesty the portion of the book by Ray Porter was fine. And in all fairness my dislike for the portion read by Lorna Raver has nothing to do with her performance so much as the content or lack thereof. I read "The Art of War" years ago & thoroughly enjoyed it (which is probably why I was so disappointed in this production). even IF I had wanted the commentary (which I kind of did, but it turned out to be insanely boring), I did NOT want the one hour & twenty minute intro on how "The Art of War" resembled the many other manuals & guides of the time or how popular the book is in cartoon form in various Asian cultures or how this book & other writings produced in the same period focused on "chi" or how "chi" could be applied to painting, or calligraphy, or the proper way to have sex. Not that there is anything wrong with any of these topics or the application thereof, it was just so far of topic as to degrade the entire production. Long story short: I enjoyed chapters 3-15 (i.e. the original text). Everything else.......not so much.
My expectations were not accomplished. It is a tough reading or listening because there are so many data that is perfect for an investigator but not for somebody that needs practical knowledge. To long and not so practical, after this book you need to look for another that translate the wide base of the first in a practical knowledge.
I had high hopes for this work. I got little out of it. I expected timeless truths and wisdom. I got things like : Don't attack when your men are tired, Don't camp with a river behind you....
That is brilliant advice i suppose but nothing earth shattering.
Perhaps it was the layout and delivery of the content. Tedious 'so-and-so from here-and-such translates what so-and-so says....' was too much for me after a while. Maybe in written form this is worth looking at but i don't feel it's worth a listen in audio format.