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Guilherme

Guilherme Porto Alegre, Brazil Member Since 2011

You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take. —Wayne Gretzky

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  • "A great epic."

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    Listening to this book is better than watching the Gladiator because it really happened. On top of that allows us to know some of what happened in the life of one of the persons who shaped our modern world.

    Maybe Ceasar changed some facts to make himself appear more heroic to his peers but who wouldn't?

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    The Commentaries

    • UNABRIDGED (13 hrs and 54 mins)
    • By Julius Caesar
    • Narrated By Charlton Griffin
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    Julius Caesar wrote his exciting Commentaries during some of the most grueling campaigns ever undertaken by a Roman army. The Gallic Wars and The Civil Wars constitute the greatest series of military dispatches ever written. As literature, they are representative of the finest expressions of Latin prose in its "golden" age, a benchmark of elegant style and masculine brevity imitated by young schoolboys for centuries.

    Dale says: "Great reading of an engrossing classic"
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A Peek at Erez's Bookshelf

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  • On the Nature of Things

    "I didn't like the structure of the audiobook"

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    I don't have much to add about the poem itself, which is truly marvelous; the translation here is the one by Rolfe Humphries, and it is indeed extremely good. However, there's another aspect of the audiobook which I didn't care for. In addition to the poem itself, the audiobook contains two short essays: a biographical sketch of Lucretius by William Young Sellar, and an overview of Epicureanism by William Wallace. I actually found the essays an interesting addition, but for some reason they are not include before or after the text, but interspersed with it. I normally like to read or listen to introductions after the text itself, and I found that the arrangement here broke the flow of the text. If you're like me, the following layout might be useful:

    0h0m to 0h15m: Lucretius biography, part 1
    0h15m to 1h29m: Book I of the poem
    1h29m to 1h45m: Lucretius biography, part 2
    1h45m to 3h04m: Book II
    3h04m to 3h20m: Epicureanism, part 1
    3h20m to 4h32m: Book III
    4h32m to 4h46m: Epicureanism, part 2
    4h46m to 6h13m: Book IV
    6h13m to 7h54m: Book V
    7h54m to 9h12m: Book VI

    As for the narrator: I've bought quite a few of Charlton Griffin's audiobooks, and there's no denying he's an excellent narrator. He's not my personal favorite, because I find his booming voice a little too, well, booming. I sometimes felt like it was an irate Roman god reading the poem, and not an atheistic poet. Not a real problem, of course, just my personal taste.

    In short: an excellent poem, beautifully translated, expertly read. I only wish the extra parts were concentrated in one place, either at the beginning or the end.

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Saud United States 01-07-14 Member Since 2007

Learn, understand, then decide whether you accept or reject.

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  • "An Epic Journey Across Classical Myth"

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    I enjoy mythologies, and I have read up a lot about them. This course focuses on Greek and Roman mythologies primarily, providing much needed academic insight.

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    Classical Mythology

    • ORIGINAL (12 hrs and 28 mins)
    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor Elizabeth Vandiver
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    These 24 lectures are a vibrant introduction to the primary characters and most important stories of classical Greek and Roman mythology. Among those you'll investigate are the accounts of the creation of the world in Hesiod's Theogony and Ovid's Metamorphoses; the gods Zeus, Apollo, Demeter, Persephone, Hermes, Dionysos, and Aphrodite; the Greek heroes, Theseus and Heracles (Hercules in the Roman version); and the most famous of all classical myths, the Trojan War.

    Michelle says: "Great"

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    Classical Archaeology of Ancient Greece and Rome  by The Great Courses Narrated by Professor John R. Hale

    Classical Archaeology of Ancient Greece and Rome

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    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor John R. Hale
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    Over the years, Classical archaeology has evolved from a pastime of collectors and antiquarians to a mature science. Today, the field is a multidisciplinary effort that involves not only traditional diggers, but also geologists, geographers, anthropologists, and linguists.These 36 lectures introduce you to this fascinating field of study. Professor Hale guides you through dozens of ancient sites with the skill of a born storyteller.

    Marcheta says: "Excellent material and presentation"
  • 4.8 (12 ratings)
    Greek Tragedy  by The Great Courses Narrated by Professor Elizabeth Vandiver

    Greek Tragedy

    • ORIGINAL (12 hrs and 30 mins)
    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor Elizabeth Vandiver
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    Greek tragedy was a dramatic form that flourished for less than a full century. And yet it remains vibrant, alive, and productive today. And the form's masterpieces help us-as perhaps they helped their original audiences-grasp a fuller sense of the terror and wonder of life. Professor Vandiver has designed these 24 rich and rewarding lectures to give you a full overview of Greek tragedy, both in its original setting and as a lasting contribution to the artistic exploration of the human condition.

    Joshua says: "Theatre History Done Right!"
  • 4.3 (604 ratings)
    The Odyssey (






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    The Odyssey

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    • By Homer (translated by Robert Fagles)
    • Narrated By Ian McKellen
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    McGrath-Muniz says: "Beautiful recording marred by audio problems!"
  • 4.3 (160 ratings)
    Classical Mythology: The Greeks (






UNABRIDGED) by Peter Meineck

    Classical Mythology: The Greeks

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    • By Peter Meineck
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    Through the study of these time-honored myths, the Greek heroes and gods - including Heracles, Zeus, Achilles, Athena, Aphrodite, and others - leap from the page in all their glorious splendor. The following lectures are not only an entertaining guide to Greek mythology, but a fascinating look into the culture and time that produced these eternal tales.

    Billy Barker says: "Loved it!"
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  • 4.3 (146 ratings)
    The Commentaries (






UNABRIDGED) by Julius Caesar Narrated by Charlton Griffin

    The Commentaries

    • UNABRIDGED (13 hrs and 54 mins)
    • By Julius Caesar
    • Narrated By Charlton Griffin
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    Julius Caesar wrote his exciting Commentaries during some of the most grueling campaigns ever undertaken by a Roman army. The Gallic Wars and The Civil Wars constitute the greatest series of military dispatches ever written. As literature, they are representative of the finest expressions of Latin prose in its "golden" age, a benchmark of elegant style and masculine brevity imitated by young schoolboys for centuries.

    Dale says: "Great reading of an engrossing classic"
  • 4.4 (140 ratings)
    Classical Mythology  by The Great Courses Narrated by Professor Elizabeth Vandiver

    Classical Mythology

    • ORIGINAL (12 hrs and 28 mins)
    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor Elizabeth Vandiver
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    These 24 lectures are a vibrant introduction to the primary characters and most important stories of classical Greek and Roman mythology. Among those you'll investigate are the accounts of the creation of the world in Hesiod's Theogony and Ovid's Metamorphoses; the gods Zeus, Apollo, Demeter, Persephone, Hermes, Dionysos, and Aphrodite; the Greek heroes, Theseus and Heracles (Hercules in the Roman version); and the most famous of all classical myths, the Trojan War.

    Michelle says: "Great"
  • 4.4 (76 ratings)
    Oedipus the King  by Sophocles Narrated by full cast

    Oedipus the King

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    • By Sophocles
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    In Sophocles' tragedy, Oedipus discovers that he has been caught in his terrible destiny, unknowingly murdering his father and marrying his mother.

    Mark says: "Superb"
  • 4.4 (57 ratings)
    Heroes and Legends: The Most Influential Characters of Literature  by The Great Courses Narrated by Professor Thomas A. Shippey

    Heroes and Legends: The Most Influential Characters of Literature

    • ORIGINAL (12 hrs and 15 mins)
    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor Thomas A. Shippey
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    Odysseus. Robinson Crusoe. Harry Potter. What do these memorable characters have in common? Why do we turn to certain stories again and again? And what impact have they made on world history? These 24 eye-opening lectures give fresh insight into some of the greatest heroes in world literature, from warriors such as Beowulf and Odysseus to unexpected heroes such as Uncle Tom and Sancho Panza. Professor Shippey gives you an inside glimpse into the writer's process.

    Virginia says: "Seriously PERFECT"
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  • 4.4 (58 ratings)
    Great Minds of the Western Intellectual Tradition, 3rd Edition  by The Great Courses Narrated by Professor Alan Charles Kors, Professor Darren Staloff, Professor Dennis Dalton, Professor Douglas Kellner

    Great Minds of the Western Intellectual Tradition, 3rd Edition

    • ORIGINAL (43 hrs and 43 mins)
    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor Alan Charles Kors, Professor Darren Staloff, Professor Dennis Dalton, and others
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    For 3,000 years, mankind has grappled with fundamental questions about life. What is real? Who or what is God? When is it legitimate for one person to have power over others? What is justice? Beauty? This 84-lecture, 12-professor tour of Western philosophical tradition covers more than 60 of history's greatest minds and brings you a comprehensive survey of the history of Western philosophy from its origins in classical Greece to the present.

    James says: "Fantastic overview"
  • The Odyssey (






UNABRIDGED) by Homer (translated by Robert Fagles) Narrated by Ian McKellen

    The Odyssey

    • UNABRIDGED (13 hrs and 26 mins)
    • By Homer (translated by Robert Fagles)
    • Narrated By Ian McKellen
    • Whispersync for Voice-ready
    Overall
    (604)
    Performance
    (432)
    Story
    (428)

    McGrath-Muniz says: "Beautiful recording marred by audio problems!"
  • Meditations (






UNABRIDGED) by Marcus Aurelius Narrated by Duncan Steen

    Meditations

    • UNABRIDGED (5 hrs and 11 mins)
    • By Marcus Aurelius
    • Narrated By Duncan Steen
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    One of the most significant books ever written by a head of State, the Meditations are a collection of philosophical thoughts by the Emperor Marcus Aurelius (121 - 180 ce). Covering issues such as duty, forgiveness, brotherhood, strength in adversity and the best way to approach life and death, the Meditations have inspired thinkers, poets and politicians since their first publication more than 500 years ago. Today, the book stands as one of the great guides and companions - a cornerstone of Western thought.

    Guilherme says: "Stoic Wisdom at it's best"
  • Great Minds of the Western Intellectual Tradition, 3rd Edition  by The Great Courses Narrated by Professor Alan Charles Kors, Professor Darren Staloff, Professor Dennis Dalton, Professor Douglas Kellner

    Great Minds of the Western Intellectual Tradition, 3rd Edition

    • ORIGINAL (43 hrs and 43 mins)
    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor Alan Charles Kors, Professor Darren Staloff, Professor Dennis Dalton, and others
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    (58)
    Performance
    (49)
    Story
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    For 3,000 years, mankind has grappled with fundamental questions about life. What is real? Who or what is God? When is it legitimate for one person to have power over others? What is justice? Beauty? This 84-lecture, 12-professor tour of Western philosophical tradition covers more than 60 of history's greatest minds and brings you a comprehensive survey of the history of Western philosophy from its origins in classical Greece to the present.

    James says: "Fantastic overview"
  • Homer Box Set: Iliad & Odyssey (






UNABRIDGED) by Homer, W. H. D. Rouse (translator) Narrated by Anthony Heald

    Homer Box Set: Iliad & Odyssey

    • UNABRIDGED (25 hrs and 3 mins)
    • By Homer, W. H. D. Rouse (translator)
    • Narrated By Anthony Heald
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    (58)
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    (53)
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    Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey are unquestionably two of the greatest epic masterpieces in Western literature. Though more than 2,700 years old, their stories of brave heroics, capricious gods, and towering human emotions are vividly timeless. The Iliad can justly be called the world’s greatest war epic. The terrible and long-drawn-out siege of Troy remains one of the classic campaigns. The Odyssey chronicles the many trials and adventures Odysseus must pass through on his long journey home from the Trojan wars to his beloved wife.

    Ganesh says: "Best Iliad experience on Audible"
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  • Classical Mythology  by The Great Courses Narrated by Professor Elizabeth Vandiver

    Classical Mythology

    • ORIGINAL (12 hrs and 28 mins)
    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor Elizabeth Vandiver
    Overall
    (140)
    Performance
    (122)
    Story
    (121)

    These 24 lectures are a vibrant introduction to the primary characters and most important stories of classical Greek and Roman mythology. Among those you'll investigate are the accounts of the creation of the world in Hesiod's Theogony and Ovid's Metamorphoses; the gods Zeus, Apollo, Demeter, Persephone, Hermes, Dionysos, and Aphrodite; the Greek heroes, Theseus and Heracles (Hercules in the Roman version); and the most famous of all classical myths, the Trojan War.

    Michelle says: "Great"
  • Heroes, Gods and Monsters of the Greek Myths: One of the Best-selling Mythology Books of All Time (






UNABRIDGED) by Bernard Evslin Narrated by Todd Haberkorn

    Heroes, Gods and Monsters of the Greek Myths: One of the Best-selling Mythology Books of All Time

    • UNABRIDGED (6 hrs and 32 mins)
    • By Bernard Evslin
    • Narrated By Todd Haberkorn
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    Having sold millions of copies in print, Bernard Evslin’s classic retelling of the Greek myths captures the excitement and enchantment of these stories that have influenced many of today’s popular films and novels. Easy to understand and fun to read for both adults and children, it is no wonder this book has been taught in schools all over the world.

    irunea says: "Feels like a bedtime story"
  • Heroes and Legends: The Most Influential Characters of Literature  by The Great Courses Narrated by Professor Thomas A. Shippey

    Heroes and Legends: The Most Influential Characters of Literature

    • ORIGINAL (12 hrs and 15 mins)
    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor Thomas A. Shippey
    Overall
    (57)
    Performance
    (49)
    Story
    (49)

    Odysseus. Robinson Crusoe. Harry Potter. What do these memorable characters have in common? Why do we turn to certain stories again and again? And what impact have they made on world history? These 24 eye-opening lectures give fresh insight into some of the greatest heroes in world literature, from warriors such as Beowulf and Odysseus to unexpected heroes such as Uncle Tom and Sancho Panza. Professor Shippey gives you an inside glimpse into the writer's process.

    Virginia says: "Seriously PERFECT"
  • Metamorphoses (






UNABRIDGED) by Ovid Narrated by David Horovitch

    Metamorphoses

    • UNABRIDGED (17 hrs and 30 mins)
    • By Ovid
    • Narrated By David Horovitch
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    The Metamorphoses by Publius Ovidius Naso (43 B.C. - A.D. 17) has, over the centuries, been the most popular and influential work from our classical tradition. This extraordinary collection of some 250 Greek and Roman myths and folk tales has always been a popular favorite, and has decisively shaped western art and literature from the moment it was completed in A.D. 8. The stories are particularly vivid when read by David Horovitch, in this new lively verse translation by Ian Johnston.

    Tad Davis says: "Fantastic!"
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  • Meditations of Marcus Aurelius (






UNABRIDGED) by Marcus Aurelius Narrated by Alan Munro

    Meditations of Marcus Aurelius

    • UNABRIDGED (5 hrs and 42 mins)
    • By Marcus Aurelius
    • Narrated By Alan Munro
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    (68)
    Performance
    (62)
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    Meditations is former U.S. President Bill Clinton's favorite book. This audio consists of a series of personal writings by Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor 161-180 AD, setting forth his ideas on Stoic philosophy.

    Mark Grebner says: "The reading made it impossible to focus on content"
  • Classical Mythology: The Greeks (






UNABRIDGED) by Peter Meineck

    Classical Mythology: The Greeks

    • UNABRIDGED (8 hrs and 9 mins)
    • By Peter Meineck
    Overall
    (160)
    Performance
    (81)
    Story
    (77)

    Through the study of these time-honored myths, the Greek heroes and gods - including Heracles, Zeus, Achilles, Athena, Aphrodite, and others - leap from the page in all their glorious splendor. The following lectures are not only an entertaining guide to Greek mythology, but a fascinating look into the culture and time that produced these eternal tales.

    Billy Barker says: "Loved it!"
  • The Republic by Plato Raymond Larson (Translator) (






UNABRIDGED) by Plato, Allan Bloom (translator) Narrated by Raymond Larson

    The Republic by Plato Raymond Larson (Translator)

    • UNABRIDGED (11 hrs and 26 mins)
    • By Plato, Allan Bloom (translator)
    • Narrated By Raymond Larson
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    (1)
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    (1)

    This highly regarded volume features a modern translation of all ten books of The Republic. Translated by Raymond Larson. The Republic is an explosion of thought; a ten-book brainstorm of one of the greatest minds of all-time.

    Mary says: "Raymond Larson is the translator!"
  • Masters of Greek Thought: Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle  by The Great Courses Narrated by Professor Robert C. Bartlett

    Masters of Greek Thought: Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle

    • ORIGINAL (18 hrs and 19 mins)
    • By The Great Courses
    • Narrated By Professor Robert C. Bartlett
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    For more than two millennia, philosophers have grappled with life's most profound and "eternal" questions. It is easy to forget, however, that these questions about fundamental issues like justice, injustice, virtue, vice, or happiness were not always eternal. They once had to be asked for the first time. This was a step that could place the inquirer beyond the boundaries of the law. And the Athenian citizen and philosopher who took that courageous step in the 5th century B.C. was Socrates.

    Luke says: "The thought of mankind"
  • The Iliad: Unabridged for Audible (






UNABRIDGED) by Homer, F L Light (translator) Narrated by Jack Nolan

    The Iliad: Unabridged for Audible

    • UNABRIDGED (26 hrs and 8 mins)
    • By Homer, F L Light (translator)
    • Narrated By Jack Nolan
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    Frederick Lazarus Light's resolve to write a greater Iliad in English than Homer composed in Greek is manifest. This translation impersonates Homeric Greek. It runs with Achilleus and like man-shattering Hector in the shock of arms is resolutely sharp. As unrelenting as sublimity, not yielding lyrically, unprosaically vindicating Homer's vision, the brightest labor has been attempted and is brought over as a consummate attempt.

  • The Republic by Plato Raymond Larson (Translator) (






UNABRIDGED) by Plato, Allan Bloom (translator) Narrated by Raymond Larson

    The Republic by Plato Raymond Larson (Translator)

    • UNABRIDGED (11 hrs and 26 mins)
    • By Plato, Allan Bloom (translator)
    • Narrated By Raymond Larson
    Overall
    (1)
    Performance
    (1)
    Story
    (1)

    This highly regarded volume features a modern translation of all ten books of The Republic. Translated by Raymond Larson. The Republic is an explosion of thought; a ten-book brainstorm of one of the greatest minds of all-time.

    Mary says: "Raymond Larson is the translator!"
  • The World's Oldest Short Stories: Tales from Ancient Egypt, India, Greece, and Rome (






UNABRIDGED) by Herodotus, Theocritus, Petronius, Apuleius Narrated by Cathy Dobson

    The World's Oldest Short Stories: Tales from Ancient Egypt, India, Greece, and Rome

    • UNABRIDGED (3 hrs and 11 mins)
    • By Herodotus, Theocritus, Petronius, and others
    • Narrated By Cathy Dobson
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    Many stories have stood the test of time, but this selection have entranced audiences for thousands of years and remain as fresh today as they were when first told. A fascinating collection which gives vivid insights into lives in ancient times and the issues that occupied the people of the day.

  • Homer's Odyssey: A Storyteller's Version (






UNABRIDGED) by Sebastian Lockwood Narrated by Sebastian Lockwood

    Homer's Odyssey: A Storyteller's Version

    • UNABRIDGED (1 hr and 39 mins)
    • By Sebastian Lockwood
    • Narrated By Sebastian Lockwood
    • Whispersync for Voice-ready
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    We begin with Book V, Odysseus weeping on Calyspo's Island, and follow his adventures through to his return to Ithaca and Penelope. This version of Homer's Odyssey was created over a 14-year period of performing the great epic. When it came time to record this version for audiobook, I realized there was no text: It lived in memory. So I had to write out a 38-page poem from memory. Then I used that text as a performance script and while reading it found myself constantly editing as my spoken word insisted on changes that sharpened the sound.

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  • El kybalion [The Kybalion] (






ABRIDGED) by Hermes Trismegisto Narrated by Joaquin Madrigal

    El kybalion [The Kybalion]

    • ABRIDGED (2 hrs and 54 mins)
    • By Hermes Trismegisto
    • Narrated By Joaquin Madrigal
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    El Kybalión es un documento que contiene el conjunto de enseñanzas de la filosofía hermética, también conocidos como los siete principios del hermetismo. Escrito en los albores del siglo XX, su autoría se debe a un grupo anónimo de personas autodenominados Los tres Iniciados, aunque las bases del hermetismo se atribuyen a un alquimista de algunas logias ocultistas llamado “Hermes Trismegisto”, cuya existencia pudo haber transcurrido en Egipto antes de la época de los faraones.

  • Letter to Sura (






UNABRIDGED) by Pliney the Younger Narrated by Tommy Howell

    Letter to Sura

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    • By Pliney the Younger
    • Narrated By Tommy Howell
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    Do you believe in ghosts or the supernatural? Who would you ask if you'd encountered something inexplicable? First-century Roman lawyer, magistrate, and author Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus, historically remembered as Pliny the Younger, wrote to his mentor about manifestations, incarnations, prognostications, and a strange happening within his own household. With what wisdom would you reply to such an epistle?

  • Platon. Zhemchuzhiny mysli [Plato. Pearls of Wisdom] (






UNABRIDGED) by Aleksej Chernov Narrated by Irina Soloviev

    Platon. Zhemchuzhiny mysli [Plato. Pearls of Wisdom]

    • UNABRIDGED (32 mins)
    • By Aleksej Chernov
    • Narrated By Irina Soloviev
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    Filosof, ch'e uchenie imeet posledovatelej i spustja bolee, chem 20 vekov posle ego smerti, - genialen bez somnenija. Plato´n stal vdohnovitelem predstavitelej raznyh filosofskih techenij v raznye jepohi - ot cerkovnoj teologii do zapadnogo jekzistencializma. Mnogie ego idei gorjacho obsuzhdajut do sih por. Kak by tam ni bylo, no dazhe chelovek, dalekij ot zharkih filosofskih sporov, mozhet pocherpnut' nemalo poleznogo iz trudov platona. Shtudirovat' tolstennye knigi dlja jetogo sovsem neobjazatel'no - prosto poslushajte jetu audioknigu izdatel'stva AB Publishing!